Re: Ethics of hunting with FMJ It is important to make a distinction between non-expanding bullets designed for hunting thick skinned game and milsurp ammo as used by the OP. Originally Posted by Toxxyc. I cannot disagree with this. I selected "ethical" with the FMJ's simply because they were used by me as well on a series of culls for a biltong project a few years ago. Is it to be a norm?
Hell no. Have I ever taken a shot at an animal with an FMJ after that? Will I ever do so again? Highly doubt it, even if my rifle seems to prefer the standard old military rounds. Originally Posted by TStone. These days the popular view seems to be that if the individual deems it to be ethical it is ok.
Log in. JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Why is FMJ Illegal? Thread starter olchevy Start date Oct 13, I hunt with Wolf gr. Just wondering why? I am not putting this up to become some debate thread about why one should use a certain kind of bullet, I simply want to know why it is Illegal.
Toes Banned Oct 13, I thought the same thing. I would say that it was an issue at one time. Probably a bunch of deer where shot and weren't taken cleanly. Also a full metal jacket will travel farther and after it exits a deer could keep traveling.
Just my opinion though. Messages 70 Reaction score 62 Location Bay Shore. That's why 7. Prominus 9mm. Messages 86 Reaction score Location Andes. You can hunt any animal in the world with a 22lr. Of course a fmj bullet will kill an animal but if you are not worried about having to go through tough hide why not use a hollow point and have a better chance of success?
Click to expand Prominus said:. ECU Pirates. Messages 2, Reaction score 2, Location Broome County. Hard cast flat point work better than FMJ. ECU Pirates said:. Messages 4, Reaction score 5, Location Pennsyltucky. It's apples to oranges to compare pistols and rifles in the first place but That's why solids out of a rifle in Africa are fine. Find something that big in NA and then you would have a point. And why do you put energy transfer in quotes?
It's a real thing and does make a difference. I'm sure you would rather be hit in the face by a bb thrown at your face by an MLB pitcher than a hardball at the same speed. The energy is stopped and transferred to your face. Same thing happens with bullets while in an animals body.
This should answer why hollow points in a rifle. Messages 6, Reaction score 12, Location Staten Island. You make a great argument. I don't hunt with hollow points, but I have been loading Hornady A-Max with the ballistic polymer tip. In spite of the influence military firearms have had on the modern deer hunter, traditional military rounds are not necessarily the best choice for deer hunting.
Traditional, military-style, full metal jacket FMJ bullets produce maximum penetration and hold their shape upon impact with soft issue. Due to this non-expanding design, FMJ bullets tend to over-penetrate, leaving a narrow wound channel and delivering minimal organ damage. FMJ rounds have a well-earned reputation for keeping their shape even in extreme conditions, a handy feature for use in tough field conditions. FMJ rounds also offer the smoothest function in modern automatic and some semi-automatic weapons.
Maintaining ammunition shape is crucial in settings of war where reliability is key. However, these are seldom conditions experienced by even the roughest deer hunter.
The bigger the wound, the more likely you will recover the injured animal. Hollow point bullets are constructed with a characteristic hollowed out tip.
When a hollow point bullet strikes soft tissue, the pressure created in the hollow tip forces the soft lead core to immediately expand outward. This increases its diameter as it moves through the target.
This expanded diameter maximizes soft tissue damage to create a devastating wound and massive blood loss. The hollow point design also slows the projectile as it moves through the target, decreasing penetration. Hollow point bullets generally stop inside the target. Because they do not pass straight through, more energy is dumped into the target, creating a concussive effect through the animal. This often causes more internal damage.
Hollow points are highly capable of delivering quick and humane kills. It is no wonder they have become some of the most popular rounds for both hunting and self-defense.
However, hollow points deliver rapid, expansive mushrooming. This slows the projectile upon target impact and limits penetration. For larger game with tougher hides, including elk and even wild hogs, as well as deer shot at longer ranges, this limited penetration could prove problematic. While the incredible speed most projectiles travel lessens any aerodynamic inaccuracies at shorter distances, the further a bullet must travel the more exaggerated these inaccuracies become. However, few deer hunters actually need accuracy and killing power beyond yards and many of us need less than half that distance.
The typical hollow point design easily handles these distances. However, if hunting heavily wooded areas where the typical shot is less than yards, a hollow point should provide enough accuracy and stopping power to drop just about any buck that gives you a shot opportunity.
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